Saturday, October 6, 2007

CVGS "Discover Your Family History Online" Seminar on 20 October

Here is the press release sent out by the Chula Vista Public Library on 2 October for the 20 October seminar:



Ever wondered when your relatives came to California or wanted to trace your ancestors back to their countries of origin but don’t know how to begin a search for the answers? Then don’t miss a free seminar titled “Discover Your Family History Online” on October 20 at the Chula Vista Civic Center Branch Library, 365 F St. The seminar will be from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.

The seminar is intended for young-adults and adults who are interested in researching their family history. The focus will be on genealogy resources available on the Internet, including freely accessible and commercial genealogy web sites.

“Finding out about your ancestry is like a treasure hunt or a detective story---you never know what you will find,” said Randy Seaver, President of the Chula Vista Genealogical Society. “This seminar will give participants an opportunity to find out about web sites that are available to start their own family history search.”

In addition to this seminar, the Chula Vista Genealogical Society (CVGS) regularly meets on the last Monday of the month at 10 a.m. in the Civic Center Library auditorium. Additionally, a CVGS member is usually present in the library on Mondays from 10 a.m. to noon to assist people with their research. The meetings and assistance are free and open to the public.

Sponsored by the Chula Vista Public Library and the Chula Vista Genealogical Society, this workshop is one of a variety of free programs offered for children, teens and adults at the library’s three branches. For more information call (619) 691-5069 or click on, or the CVGS website: To contact the CVGS president Randy Seaver directly, e-mail or call 619-422-3397.


We are hoping for a large turnout among San Diego area researchers. If you have that day free, please come attend our seminar.

Two days of making family history

I've been at my daughter's house in Santa Cruz for two days and I'm already too pooped to pop. Most of it has to do with sleeping arrangements and two little boys who don't sleep the night. The rest has to do with a family in the process of saying goodbye to the family patriarch.

I'm sleeping in the older boy's (age 4) , with the younger boy (age 19 months) in the bedroom. The older boy is sleeping with his mom. The first night, the little one woke up at 3:30 and I finally got him back to sleep at 4:30, but then when I tried to put him in his crib, he woke up. Mom came and took him and I went back for another fitful two hours before the older boy came and asked me to get him some breakfast at 7 AM.

We drove 150 miles north to the family home of my son-in-law's grandparents, sister and uncle. His grandfather has congestive heart failure, and has stopped eating. He received the last rites on Thursday, and thought that he would die immediately. Well... no. He's still lucid, but is not sleeping much, and really wants to pass away. His wife is tending to him 24 hours, which makes her a basket case also. Family friends are coming by, and all of the family in town comes every day to say goodbye again. I doubt if he will die for several more days. They won't move him to a care facility at this point.

I slept at the sister's house next door with the older boy in the room. He woke up at 1 AM and didn't go back to sleep until 2 AM. He wanted to go down to where his mom was in the dark. He woke up at 6:15 AM, and got his shoes on and was halfway down the hill by the time I got to the window. I went down and had breakfast, then came back to the sister's house and showered and then took a nap while she played with the boy.

We left at lunch time for home, and had lunch at a Quizno's place, then fought the traffic down US 101 to San Francisco (there was an air show on the Bay today). We stopped at the Ocean Beach and the boys and the dog (I didn't mention the dog did I - she pooped on the carpets in 3 places in 12 hours!) really enjoyed walking on the sand and running from the waves. They came home in their underwear. The little guy cried and cried most of the hour before the beach and the hour after the beach. We finally made it home by 4 PM.

I took them both for walks this afternoon with the dog, just along the path near the little house in the redwoods. It's so peaceful and quiet here. We checked out the blackberry bushes (pretty bare right now) and watched the dog follow her nose. At dinner tonight, the older boy said "I don't like broccoli" and I responded automatically "Come on, eat it, it will put hair on your chest." He immediately said "No, I have a diesel train on my chest" (on his shirt). That's the highlight of the weekend so far.

Needless to say, it's not been a fun weekend yet. But family history is being made. I know the older boy will remember his great-grandfather, and playing with his aunt, and the beach visit. We'll remember the maudlin scene and saying goodbye to a fine man, and the broccoli comment.

The above explains why I haven't posted much the last two days. The postings will be sparse until the time available increases.

Friday, October 5, 2007

"Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?" Hardly!

There is an intriguing article in the Irish Abroad online newspaper dated 13 September 2007 title "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?"

The gist of the story is:

"Bridget Kelly from Moyross in Limerick saw an advertisement in the Irish Independent newspaper looking for Irish relatives of an American gentleman by the name of Richard Riordan-Schalk. Kelly recognized some of the names that were listed as ancestors of Riordan-Schalk’s and called attorney Paul Lanzillota of the Manning and Murray law firm in Arlington, Virginia.

"However, Lanzillota told the Irish Voice on Tuesday there are another 160 possible relatives of the dead man.“At this point we have 161 names of people who might have been related to Richard Riordan-Schalk,” he said."

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"“The only heirs we can’t find are the Irish heirs. One half of this estate is going to the German side of the family and one half to the Irish,” said Lanzillota.“We found the Germans very quickly, some of whom were in Chicago and one in Massachusetts. But for Ireland the research went back as far as 1842.

"The difficulty now is proving that they are heirs,” said Lanzillota, explaining that another $300,000 of the estate has been given an individual to settle a lawsuit."

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"Anyone who can prove to be related to the following may be eligible, if proven, to claim part of the estate that Richard Riordan Schalk left behind: David Riordan, who was born in 1808 and died in 1865. Mary Riordan (nee McCarthy) date of birth and death not known. Both resided in Limerick.

"Bartholomew Daly and Mary Daly (nee Walsh) who married on March 28, 1852 in Freemount, Co. Cork. They emigrated to Chicago and had three children, Elizabeth Daly Riordan, (September 9, 1858 to July 7, 1932), Michael Daly (October 10, 1856-death unknown) and Eileen Daly (July 2, 1864-death unknown)."

It's interesting to see how others have reported this story. For instance:

* Dick Eastman on his blog posted "Who Wants to be a Millionaire? - Irish Edition"

* An obituary for Richard Riordan-Schalk appeared in the National Press Club newsletter for 15 April 2004 here.

* The Limerick (Ireland) Leader newspaper published a similar article titled "Search for Heirs of $1.9 Million Fortune."

So far, they have identified 161 heirs. It's unclear if these are all equal shares -- they probably aren't if the siblings of Richard Riordan-Schalk's ancestors way back when did not have the same number of kids. But if the shares were equal, the $1.9 million would be split into shares of 11,801.24. And that's before the attorneys fees finding these relatives and processing mountains of paper. Not much, eh?

I did a search like this for my second cousin several years ago - our great-uncle died without children but he left a will leaving his estate to charity and friends. My cousin wanted to contest the will, and asked me to investigate since I have records for many of the descendants of Thomas and Julia (White) Richmond (8 siblings had issue).

Assuming that the estate would be split evenly among descendants of our great-uncle's siblings, I figured that my cousin's share would be about $125,000 out of a $1 million estate (her grandmother had 1 child who had 1 child), and mine would have been about 11,000 (since my grandmother had 7 children who had 11 children). But we would have had to contest the will - our shares would have disappeared into legal fees in a flash if not sooner. But it was fun to pursue and think about!

Thursday, October 4, 2007

Carnival of Genealogy #33 - Weddings

The latest Carnival of Genealogy is posted at by Jasia. The topic for this issue is Weddings. There are many interesting stories here - please read them all.

The next Carnival of Genealogy will be about Halloween and the Supernatural! Lots of latitude with this edition... stories of haunted houses, ghosts, any superstitions, voodoo, stories of Halloween parties or traditions, trick or treating, good luck charms, curses, ... Was there a witch in the family? How about a black cat? Anyone have bats in the house? Is there a legend about a spooky place in your neighborhood? What was your favorite Halloween costume? Any funny scarecrow stories? Did grandma have a magic potion? Any stories of ancestors rising up from the dead to haunt people? What about bizarre happenings on the night of a full moon? Bring on your hauntings and horror stories, humorous and happy ones as well.

Submit your blog article to the next edition of the Carnival of Genealogy using our carnival submission form. The deadline for submissions is October 15th, 2007. Past posts and future hosts can be found on our blog carnival index page.

PS. I arrived safely in Santa Cruz ... almost got knocked down by a 35 pound 4-year old greeting me at the airport, though - the kid's going to be a running back, I think. We went to our fave Chinese food place for lunch - he had tofu and noodles, I had almond chicken. Then we came home for a nap. Now I gotta go outside and play. See you soon.

Blogging will be light - I'm Making more Family History

I'm off on Thursday to visit my daughter and grandsons in the Santa Cruz area of California. With her husband deployed, the boys need some male attention and she needs some rest. So -- here comes grandpa - ready to fly airplanes, play in the woods, find banana slugs and pick blackberries with the little guys. I also plan to chase them around the house, and watch Thomas and his Friends, the Little Einsteins and the Wiggles on TV. I hope they let me watch the baseball playoff games and the football game on Sunday. I'll probably get to tickle their sides, feed them, bathe them, hug them, tell them stories, whisper ahnentafel lists, and everything else fun to do with little boys.

This is what I call "making family history" - instilling fun and happy times with grandpa in their memories so that they will appreciate me when I can't do it any more.

I will not take my laptop this time, but will have access to the Internet most evenings, so I'll post occasionally. I may miss a day or two if we go up to Petaluma to see the boys' great-grandfather.

I hope to return to San Diego on Tuesday next week. I will have to delay my "regular" feature posts - "The Best of the Genea-Blogs" and "Della's Journal" until I get back.

If you absolutely have to have a genealogy blog fix, then please go visit my colleagues on the blog roll to the right of this page. They are chock full of ancestral stories and genealogy tips and will greatly appreciate you stopping by and reading their work.

WorldVitalRecords has added some census records has announced that they have added 800,000 images and 32 million names from the 1790 to 1930 census records -- see the announcement here. The announcement sounds so good - that this is a real boon to genealogy research -- "You can now see census records at"

But wait. I observe that:

* There are images from selected counties for each year. Not even whole states. If you are real lucky, you might find one of your counties included.

* There are no indexes for most of these records (they say 1790 is indexed), so you will have to page through them one at a time looking for your people. Deja vu here - remember cranking microfilm looking for your targets page-by-page? Now you can mouse-scroll at home rather than crank at the FHC.

* 32 million names sounds like a lot. I counted up the numbers on Ancestry some time ago, and came up with almost 600 million names in their indexes for 1790 to 1930 census records. So 32 million is like 6%. In other words, you have 1 chance in 16 of finding a record for a given person.

* Will there be more census images and names as time goes on? The announcement doesn't say. My guess is that AllCensus is working on it, but slowly.

* Will WVR or AllCensus really provide an every-name index? Ever? They say they will - but only time will tell.

Of course, has all of the census records available already for 1790-1930, with an every-name index, for a US subscription cost, or for FREE at a library that subscribes to Ancestry Library Edition.

HeritageQuestOnline has all of the census images, but only certain years with a head-of-household index, available for in-home use if you have a library card for a participating library.

New FamilySearch will eventually have all of the census images with an every-name index sometime in the future - for FREE.

I appreciate that WorldVitalRecords is adding census records to their collection, but what they have added so far won't entice me to subscribe to their collection, since I can get much more in census records for free from other providers (although I have to go to a library to obtain them).

Wednesday, October 3, 2007

Check out AGES-Online

I received an email from Family Tree Magazine describing AGES-Online (AGES Stands for Advanced Genealogical Exploration Services) as a service that is "Saving Your Family History for the Ages" and offers "Fully Loaded For Your Genealogical Needs," listing the capabilities as:

* Build Your Family Tree Online
* User Friendly
* Easy Navigation
* Load Nothing on Your PC
* Access Anywhere, Anytime!
* Collaborate with Family and Friends
* Import Your GEDCOM
* Security (It's YOUR Data!)
* Unlimited Numbers of Individuals
* Extensive Events & Details
* Source / Citation Templates
* Reports
* Free Enhancements

The site claims:

"It's Your Data! AGES believes your family data is your data and not public domain. All AGES accounts are password protected and are only visible to you and your guests.

"Data Center Backups. Enjoy genealogy without the worries. Your records are backed up in multiple data center locations.

"Standard Templates. Enjoy our extensive templates for entering Events, Details, Sources and Citations. Templates created using Industry Standards."

After a brief look around the web site, it appears that this is a commercial web site designed so that a user can enter and store their genealogy data online. It is not a true social network site, although you can share information with other researchers of your choice.

In short, it is a substitute for genealogy software residing on your computer and genealogy data stored in a database on your computer. It would be available to the user any place you could access the Internet.

This site offers an Economy subscription as a 30 day Free Trial. The Economy subscription ($39.95 for an Annual subscription) includes full Family Tree Edit capabilities, Unlimited number of individuals, and numerous reports and charts.

There will be Standard, Enhanced and Deluxe subscriptions available later with more capabilities (no prices given). You can see all of the Features for each subscription type at

You can click on the plus (+) sign next to each Feature type to see what each subscription offers. A drop-down list will appear when you click the (+) sign and you can see check marks to describe what each subscription level offers.

For example, the Economy subscription will offer only Family Group Sheet, Outline Descendant and Descendant Genealogy Reports in the Reports category. If you want a Custom Report, Source Usage report, a Citation Usage report and several other reporting capabilities, they will only be available in the more expensive subscription.

You can upload a GEDCOM file for all subscription levels. There is no indication about what will happen to User Notes or Facts uploaded in a GEDCOM. There is no Ahnentafel List or Ancestor Report offered at any level - these are standard reports with almost all genealogy software.

They offer a personalized web site in the Standard, Enhanced and Deluxe levels with an upload of a single picture for each individual.

There are many more features - go visit the site and read all of the information. I recommend using the Free Trial to see what information is uploaded and what report capabilities are provided.

For $39.95, I can make a one-time purchase of new FamilyTreeMaker 2008 software that will do nearly everything (and probably more) that this web site will provide. The obvious exception is the database would be online and accessible to the user anywhere they had access to the Internet.

This is an initial review of this web site, and I may have missed some valuable features. I have not signed up for the free trial yet, but will in a week or so. If someone has more comments, please write your own blog post or comment on this post.

Looks like Ancestry has discovered blogging

It's about time, isn't it? Shouldn't every commercial genealogy company have a blog capability affiliated with their web site in order to announce new databases, added capabilities, acquisitions and the like?

Of course, Ancestry has published a Weekly Ancestry News for years, and had a Daily Ancestry News for awhile, which was replaced by the 24/7 Family History Circle blog edited by Juliana Smith. A weekly email containing the blog posts comprises the current Ancestry Weekly News sent by email to subscribers for FREE.

It makes sense for The Generations Network to create a blog for each of its' major products. There are already blogs for:

* 2.0

* Rootsweb NewsRoom

* Blog

At the latter site, the introductory post on 25 September said:

"Welcome to the Ancestry Blog! We’ve created this Ancestry blog as the place to keep you connected with what’s going on at It’s a place to learn about new additions – our products, content, features and other services – as we develop them. Here you will read blog posts from the people who create and develop these products and features for

"You’ll find blog posts on all sorts of topics: content and digitization, family trees and other site features. Learn the latest company news, see what the press has to say about the company, even offer your opinion in interactive polls. Read posts from the people who are continually working to improve Family Tree Maker, Ancestry Press, DNA Ancestry, Ancestry print publications and many other products. Chat with Tim Sullivan, president and CEO of The Generations Network, parent company of

"And, we want to hear from you. We hope you’ll leave comments and offer your thoughts, ideas and other opinions. Share your ideas on what works, what needs to improve and what you’d like to see on the site in the future."

That sounds like a well-intentioned effort to try to communicate with the subscribers of Ancestry services. However, "the proof is in the pudding" as they say. Is a blog really the most efficient and user-friendly way to communicate between customers and providers? It may be, but it might not be.

Are they saying that TGN CEO Tim Sullivan is writing the blog? Or that users can somehow "chat" with him, presumably electronically? Perhaps that is in the near future.

To date, the blog has 8 posts (over 25 days) concerning Ancestry Press, FamilyTreeMaker and DNA Ancestry products. There are a few congratulatory comments, but there are few real constructive or critical comments yet - probably because these blogs are new to the genealogy world.

However, there are three sub-blogs on the list at the main blog - one for Ancestry Press, one for FamilyTreeMaker and one for DNA Ancestry. However, the main blog has posts for all of them.

For Ancestry databases and FamilyTreeMaker, there are message boards for review and comment and they are well used by subscribers trying to figure out how to use the products or services. There are also lists of Frequently Asked Questions on each web site in an effort to communicate with users and subscribers.

It seems to me that using one blog - the blog - to try to communicate with users and subscribers of all of The Generations Network products will not work out well.

If asked, I would have recommended creating separate blogs for each product with a unique blog name - a blog family, if you will. A separate blog for each of the family - US, Canada, UK, Sweden, Germany, France, Italy, Australia, etc. would probably work much better than one blog for all of

Likewise, a blog just for FamilyTreeMaker communication would probably be better than hiding the FTM light under the blog bushel.

Of course, with blogs most of us know that CONTENT is everything. A blog requires constant care and feeding - often one or more posts a day - to maintain readership and to communicate with its readers. Will the developers of the different TGN products be able to regularly post development news and answer comments and questions from users?

Will The Generations Network really listen to the suggestions, comments and questions from their users and subscribers? After the public relations stumbles of the past 12 months, I wonder if they have the commitment to listen to the Voice of their Customers. If they have that commitment, then they need to demonstrate it. I sincerely hope that they will. If they don't, their competitors will gradually overtake them (I realize that it might be a very long chase!).

Revealing obliterated text on gravestones

The BBC News web page has an interesting article today titled "Scans Reveal Lost Gravestone Text" by Cristina Jimenez.

The lead paragraphs read:

"Illegible words on church headstones could be read once more thanks to a scan technology developed in the US.

"Scientists at Carnegie Mellon university are making high resolution 3D scans of tombstones to reveal the carved patterns in the stone.

"A computer matches the patterns to a database of signature carvings which reveals the words."

Later, the article says:

""This technology is expected to reduce guessing work in field inspection," said Dr Yang Cai, director of the Ambient Intelligence Lab at Carnegie Mellon Cylab.
"In recent weeks, Dr Cai's research team have been testing the new technique at a 200-year-old cemetery close to the university in Pittsburgh.

"The scientists have been scanning unreadable gravestones at Old St. Luke's Church to help its Episcopal pastor identify all the names on the cemetery's tombstones."


This will be especially useful in areas where gravestones have tremendous erosion and colorful blotches on them from coal and sulfur emissions. There are few graveyards in England that have readable stones from before 1900, in my limited experience in Wiltshire.

Now if they could only read the invisible gravestones that are lost to time - the ones that used to be on graves in cemeteries all over the world. We all know that the bare areas nearest the church used to have a field of gravestones that have been lost to weather, vandalism, etc.

Tuesday, October 2, 2007

PERSI is Updated

My colleague Susi passed this information from Curt Witcher at the Allen County (IN) Public Library, which was published in the latest Genealogy Gems newsletter:

"This past Thursday, the 2007 edition of the "Periodical Source Index" (or PERSI as it is often called) was loaded on the web site. This latest edition of PERSI brings the total number of periodical titles indexed to 6,652 and the total number of article citations to 2,038,494! PERSI is the largest and most comprehensive subject index to genealogy and local history periodicals published in North America and the British Isles.

"It really should be a must-check source for every family line and geographic location one is researching. If you've never used PERSI or don't believe you're getting the full benefit from the index, sign up for the "Using PERSI" program on Tuesday, October 22nd from 2 p.m. to 3 p.m. in the Main Library's Computer Classroom by calling (260)421-1225."

PERSI is described here. It is wonderful for what it does, and the Allen County (IN) Public Library (ACPL) offers a copying service for any article that a researcher wants to obtain - the order form is here.

It is very likely that key information that might solve many brick wall research problems is hiding in articles in genealogy periodicals and newsletters. Almost every state and many counties have regular genealogy publications, and local researchers have transcribed or abstracted millions of records and names.

There are also books and CDROMs that contain the PERSI index which can be found in libraries, but they are often dated. Online at HQO, you can search by surname, locality and keyword. However, the search is only on certain words in the title, author, locality or keyword list.

The problem with using PERSI effectively is that there is no "every-name" index such as there is on many genealogy web sites. The reason is obvious - the ACPL does not have digital archives for all of these periodicals, and if they did there would be substantial copyright issues with authors and publishers. I guess I've been spoiled in the last few years.

Here in the San Diego area, the Carlsbad Cole Library provides FREE home access to HeritageQuestOnline (HQO) to library members with a valid library card number. The card is free, but you have to visit the library.

Unfortunately, the last issue of Genealogy Gems at the newsletter archives page is March 2007. I'm sure that they will add the missing issues soon.

Dixie traditions in Brazil

An article in the 2 October 2007 Washington Times newspaper is titled "Dixie tradition kept alive in Brazil enclave."

The article includes:


Now well past 90, Judith MacKnight Jones is suffering from Alzheimer's disease, the illness that robbed her of all of her memory, her most precious asset.
She has been lying here for the past 11 years, covered by a patchwork blanket, made from pieces her great-grandmother brought from the United States between 1865 and 1885, after the Confederacy lost the Civil War.

"Unable to speak or remember now, her book "Soldado Descanso" ("Rest Soldier") is written in Portuguese, but soon will be translated into English, as the publisher thinks Americans should know about the proud history of Confederate immigrants settling in Brazil, finding a new home here but maintaining many of the traditions they brought from Alabama, Texas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, the Carolinas and Georgia.

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""Over a century old and symbolizing our heritage, the flight from our homelands, it is extremely important to keep it that way. I teach my children and grandchildren the American values our ancestors have brought with them. And I expect them to teach their children and grandchildren the same," she said.

"Every spring, hundreds of the descendants of the soldiers who lost the war against the North go to the cemetery they call O Campo. They party and meet dressed in traditional costumes, staging shows, singing Southern songs like "When the Saints Come Marching In" or "Oh Susannah," playing banjos and blowing trumpets, the men eventually getting drunk on home-brewed beer."

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"Almost 150 years ago, Dr. James McFaddon from South Carolina went to Mobile, Ala., and New Orleans to open negotiations with Brazil to migrate, looking for a new home. He traveled to Brazil and, on his return, wrote a book, "Home Hunting in Brazil," planting seeds for emigration.

"Between 10,000 and 20,000 Americans made the journey, leaving the United States to look into building a new home and life. Today, they live not only in Americana and nearby Santa Barbara, but are scattered all over the hills of the state of Sao Paulo and over several other parts of Brazil, the fifth-largest country in the world. "


Isn't that fascinating? Keeping traditions alive like that? Read the whole article. Has anybody ever researched these families?

Obtaining a death date from Social Security

One of the questions that arose at last week's CVGS Research Group meeting was "can Social Security Administration provide a death date for someone with a SS Number?" The situation was that this person was not in the Social Security Death Index (since he probably died before 1962 and may not have drawn benefits).

The Social Security web site at provides a list of services that SSA can provide. Included are the following:

** Search for Information about Death of an Individual, SSN Provided (SSA does not usually have place of death, burial, or cause of death) -- $16

** Search for Information about Death of an Individual, SSN Not Provided (SSA does not usually have place of death, burial, or cause of death) -- $18

Of course, I didn't find this web page until I had written them twice via email to ask the question. The first time I got an answer saying I could get the SS-5 application. The second time they emailed the info on this web page and did answer my question within one day.

I've passed this to my colleague who does know the SSN, so we'll see what she gets in response. She doesn't know John Robinson Hall's death date or place, but thinks it was probably in Philadelphia PA. If she can get a death date from SSA, then she can request an obituary lookup in the Philly newspapers from the Temple University library.

Did everybody know this? I sure didn't, but it is logical that SSA would have a death date recorded somewhere in an SSA file.

Now - what about the employment record? Will SSA have a list of Social Security taxes collected and the employment records by year for an individual?

Jean is looking for family stories

Jean Wilcox Hibben is a Southern California genealogist and story teller par excellence (she has spoken at SDGS several times). She is a doctoral candidate now, and is looking for family stories to use in her research and dissertation.

She recently posted this to the APG mailing list (see the thread here). I asked for and was granted permission by Jean to post this on my blog.


Greetings, fellow APGers.

Some of you may have already heard about my dissertation project, and some have already submitted stories to it, but for those who have not, here is my plea for help.

I am a doctoral candidate in folklore and my dissertation is on family stories. Since my concentration is American folklore, the stories need to be American in origin, but immigration stories are acceptable. They need to be stories that have endured over at least 2 generations (things your grandparents told you or maybe what your parents shared that they learned from their parents, grandparents, etc.). Stories need to have had some sort of impact (however slight: even that the story inspired you to research your family lineage) ... in other words, why did the story manage to survive? Stories must also be from your own family (though if you have a client who has a great story, please encourage that person to submit it!). I am collecting stories from the genealogical community as that is the population I am eventually generalizing to, but stories need not be proven true ... in fact, some of the questionable stories that have endured and even impacted families are the most intriguing. I am following the general cataloging of folklorist Stephen Zeitlin at the folklore center in NY.

As an enticement, I am offering to donate $1 per story (that meets the criteria) to the genealogical society identified on the submission form (yes, this is ethical as I am not soliciting by offering to pay directly to submitters). I expect to be compiling the data by early spring 2008, so the sooner the stories are submitted, the more time I have to work with them (donations will be made once the analysis is complete ... hopefully by June 2008).

If you would be willing to submit your stories and/or present this opportunity (perhaps as a fundraiser) to your own genealogical society, please see the details and submission form at: <>. Sample stories can also be found at that website: <>, click on "Dissertation project."

I appreciate this list for the many bits of information I have received over the past years and now hope that some of you good folks will assist me in this area. Thank you so very much!!

Jean-- Jean Wilcox Hibben, MA,CGsm
Riverside County, California
Member, Association of Professional Genealogists
Member, Genealogical Speakers Guild
President, Corona (CA) Genealogical Society


Can you help Jean out with her project? There is an incentive for people to submit articles. It might be useful to visit her web site to see the type of stories that she wants.

Monday, October 1, 2007

What a Lousy Weekend

As many of my faithful readers know, I am a San Diego sports fan - always have been, always will be. My town, my teams - Padres, Aztecs, Chargers. I root hard, and live and die with their fortunes.

Recent years have been good for the Chargers and Padres - they both made the playoffs in 2006, but lost early. In 2007, the Chargers were supposed to be the best team in the league on paper. Well, the Bolts are 1-3 after this weekend.

The Padres needed to win one game out of three this weekend, and didn't. No playoffs.

ARRRGGGGHHHHH. Sorry - I'm so disappointed. I posted a longer whine called The Worst Sports Weekend Ever? with all of the gory details.

Sorry for the non-genealogy post - my heart hasn't been in it yesterday and today.

I think I'll go on vacation and see the grandchildren and not worry about sports next weekend!

Della's Journal - Week 40 (October 1-7, 1929)

This is Installment 39 of the Journal of Della (Smith) Carringer, my great-grandmother, who resided at 2115 30th Street in San Diego in 1929.

The "players" and "setting" are described here. Pictures of some of the players are here. Last week's Journal entry is here.

Here is Week 40:


Tuesday, October 1: Washed. I took my bath. I ironed. Austin worked around home. Letter from Aunt L[ibbie].

Wednesday, October 2: Mr. Papke came to see me about the lots they will deed back to us to save foreclosure. We A[ustin] & I went down to Union Title to get a little information. Pd $65 on our Bldg & Loan have one more payment to make.

Thursday, October 3: We met Mr. Papke at 9:30 A.M. at the Union Title Co., they made out papers. Mr. Papke is to take the Quit ["Guarantee" overwritten] Title Deed up and have the signatures and stamps. I Pd safty box dues at Bank of Italy to 1930. Sent My Lodge dues for Oct Nov & Dec. Mr. & Mrs. Schmidt called while we were down town. Ate lunch with Ma & A[ustin]. I got home at 1.30 the Man Mr. Harris had left Ma's house in the night or evening said it was to warm for them. Had paid a months rent only there from the 25th to the Oct 2nd. Gave Mrs. Smythe $1.00 for water.

Friday, October 4: Emily took A[ustin] & I out to Ma's house. We found some things gone 1 cotton flannel Blanket, 1 white enamel foot tub, 1 rug, Eggbeater, Potato masher, 1 Pillow & some dishes, 1 slumber robe.

Saturday, October 5: Ed did not come over. A[ustin] & I went down to finish up deal, then we went out Ma's house & finished up fixing things. They left Thermos bottle, baby's blanket & her kid gloves, some whiskey bottles and a tester. We do not think they will be back, left dog with neighbor. I went out to Mr. Garlock's, stayed a while, they are about as usual. Emily making felt baby hats for store.

Sunday, October 6: Mrs. Hughes, Josephine & Ivas came home. Mrs. Lipp ($16.67) & Gilbert sisters ($20.) Pd on rent of 2119 30th St (owe $13.33). Lyle's went out at 10:30 A.M. on the boat with Mr. Griffiths & Nolans, had a nice time, home by seven P.M. We had to fight ants this morning, Mrs. Wilson had them too. Ma had bath.

Monday, October 7: A[ustin] took Mr. Fay his lodge dues for Oct, Nov & Dec. A[ustin] went back to work this morning will not get pay for a few days, they send it to San Pedro & back. We washed & picked figs sold 85c gave 5 lbs away.


The problem of Mr. Papke with paying his mortgage was a surprise - I wonder where the property is? I'll go check the 1930 census and see if I can find out. Hopefully, he will rent it rather than own it. As we approach the stock market crash later in October, Della and Austin have one more payment to make on their mortgage.

I'm still confused about Della paying lodge dues - she was an artist of some sort. Austin was a carpenter and was a member of a carpenters lodge or union, I guess.

Personal History questions - School Memories

Juliana Smith's 24/7 Family History Circle blog is providing regular prompts - 5 questions - for writing your personal history during Family History Month. This will be weekly during October.

In an effort to set down some personal history for my posterity, I'm going to give it a try. Five questions don't seem too hard - let's see what happens.

The first questions concern school memories:

1) What was your favorite subject in school?

MATHEMATICS. Fingers, adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing, fractions, algebra, trigonometry, logarithms, calculus, differential equations. I entered San Diego State as a Mathematics major, but quickly changed to Aerospace Engineering when I realized that teaching was one of the only jobs available for Math majors - this was before computers, of course.

2) In what extra-curricular activities did you participate? Sports? Drama? Music? Academics?

SAFETY PATROL. I was a Private (4th grade), Sergeant (5th Grade) and Supply Sergeant (6th grade) at the corner of 30th and Ash Streets in San Diego from 1953 to 1957. Supply Sergeant was second-in-command to the Lieutenant and got to do all the jobs delegated to him. The red sweater, white pants and gold caps were cool. On Saturdays, the Police Department sponsored movies at the Fox Theater downtown - we saw lots of Roy Rogers, Gene Autry, Hopalong Cassidy, etc. No Annette Funicello, though - too bad.

Sports? I couldn't hit a baseball, see over the butt of the center in football, came up to my friend's armpit in basketball, and soccer wasn't invented yet. My buddy Paul and I excelled in handball because we were closer to the floor than the other players. Drama - are you kidding? Meet Mr. Stage-Fright. Music - I sing in the key of J-Sharp, I'm told...'nuff said. Academics - we didn't have an Academic Bowl team then - and then there was the stage fright issue, which also hampered my dating prospects.

The school activity that I tried to avoid was after-school or evening dances. I was really into the music (1956-1961) and still am, but dancing was something I never physically mastered and was always leery of participating in. I was Mr. Wallflower all through Junior and Senior High School.

In high school, I ended up after school in the library in downtown San Diego. I could walk from school, and then safely take the bus home hours later. I would do homework research there, read current magazines and newspapers, and search for the "good" books in the fiction section. I learned a lot there! I never went in the genealogy room, though - unfortunately! (Heck, I could be all done with my family history if I'd only started 30 years earlier - right?)

3) Did you go on field trips, and if so, what was your most memorable field trip?
I don't remember field trips in elementary school. I was on the school baseball team (right field, end-of-the-bench, scorekeeper, cheerleader, first-base coach) in elementary school and we traveled to play other teams on Saturdays.

San Diego schools sponsored a 6th grade camp back in the 1950's - a week in the Cuyamaca mountains with counselors and your classmates. This was up near Julian at about 4,000 feet altitude in the spring - so it could be warm, cold, rainy or somewhere in between. There were hiking trails, streams and pools of water, and big rocks, and even some wildlife - squirrels, raccoons, lizards, birds, spiders, etc. We never saw the snakes, skunks, and cougars that were probably out there. For a "big city" kid, this was pretty exciting (which is why they did it). Sleeping in sleeping bags on bunks, sitting around the campfire at night, crafts and physical activities were all part of the curriculum. I remember - vividly! - the physical challenges - rope bridge across a small canyon, the tree-climbing, etc. I wasn't in the Scouts, so this was really my first time in the woods like this. In the summer time after 6th grade, there was a Safety Patrol Camp on Mount Palomar with much the same activity - except it was run by the police department, which was pretty cool.

4) What teacher influenced you the most?

The ones in elementary school were Miss Williams (4th grade), Mr. de la Torre (5th grade) and Mr. Wragg (6th grade). They each encouraged individual responsibility and reaching your potential. Because of them I advanced into mathematics, history, geography and writing far beyond the curriculum. I also learned that "all people are created equal" and saw it in the accomplishments of these teachers. Mr. Wragg was shot and killed by a student sniper back in the 1970's here in San Diego. He was a school principal then and was shepherding students to safety when he was shot.

I remember only two high school teachers clearly - my math teacher was Mrs. Johnsie Posey (what a southern accent - a novelty in San Diego) and she really pushed us in high school math courses - trigonometry, geometry and calculus. But we got it - she made math fun. It prepared me very well for college, and she was like a professor. My chemistry teacher was an older fellow named J.O. Peterson (I still don't know his given names!) and what I remember from this class was that half the students were trying to make explosions in the classroom and Mr. Peterson was oblivious to it. I always tried to take the lab area furthest away from the experimenters! One of my best friends, Steve Johnson, could mimic J.O's speech perfectly and we would always be laughing in class.

5) Did you buy a lunch at school, or bring one from home? What kind of lunchbox? What was your favorite lunch?

What an unexpected question! I always brought a lunch from home. Always in a paper bag - no lunchbox ever. Invariably, it was a sandwich (either peanut butter or baloney) on white bread with butter, cookies or chips, and an apple. My mother made the lunch every night. The cost was minimal compared to buying it at school.

I was surprised they didn't ask about best friends, how we got to school, best moments, worst moments, dating, etc. Maybe I'll post about those issues later this week.

I encourage other genea-bloggers to share their lives in this way. Then make sure that your kids and grandkids know where to find it!

UPDATED 10/1, 1:45 PM: I remembered more stuff, and added it to the above.

Ancestors of Hattie Hildreth (1857-1920)

Here is post #8 of the ahnentafel lists for my 8 great-grandparents. I chose to list only six generations because of the potential length of the post.


Ancestors of Hattie Louise Hildreth

Generation No. 1

1. Hattie Louise Hildreth, born 28 Nov 1857 in Northborough, Worcester County, MA (MA VR 107.232); died 29 Nov 1920 in Leominster, Worcester County, MA (VR). She married (1) Frank Walton Seaver 14 Dec 1874 in Keene, Cheshire County, NH (VR). He was born 06 Jun 1852 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA (MA VR 64.198), and died 27 Nov 1922 in Leominster, Worcester County, MA (VR).

Generation No. 2

2. Edward Hildreth, born 30 Apr 1831 in Townsend, Middlesex County, MA (Bible); died 26 Apr 1899 in Leominster, Worcester County, MA, (C). He married 25 Dec 1852 in Northborough, Worcester County, MA, (C).
3. Sophia Newton, born 14 Sep 1834 in Springfield, Windsor County, VT (Death record); died 29 Aug 1923 in Leominster, Worcester County, MA (C).

Generation No. 3

4. Zachariah Hildreth, born 10 Apr 1783 in Townsend, Middlesex County, MA, (VR, 276); died 22 Jan 1857 in Townsend, Middlesex County, MA, (VR, 355). He married 21 Oct 1810 in Townsend, Middlesex County, MA, (VR, 62).
5. Hannah Sawtell, born 06 Nov 1789 in Brookline, Hillsborough County, NH; died 13 Jan 1857 in Townsend, Middlesex County, MA, (VR, 355).
6. Thomas J. Newton, born About 1800 in ME. He married Bef. 1832 in prob. Worcester County, MA.
7. Sophia Buck, born 03 May 1797 in Holden, Worcester County, MA; died 06 Jan 1882 in Westborough, Worcester County, MA, (MA VR, 339:452).

Generation No. 4

8. Zachariah Hildreth, born 13 Jan 1754 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 58); died 17 Mar 1828 in Townsend, Middlesex County, MA. He married 01 Sep 1777 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 194, intentions).
9. Elizabeth Keyes, born 08 Apr 1759 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 65); died 06 Aug 1793 in Townsend, Middlesex County, MA, (VR, 344).
10. Josiah Sawtell, born 24 Jan 1768 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA, (vr); died 07 Dec 1847 in Townsend, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 333). He married 05 Feb 1789 in prob. Raby, Hillsborough County, NH.
11. Hannah Smith, born About 1767 in prob. Raby, Hillsborough County, NH; died 08 Feb 1827 in Townsend, Middlesex County, MA (age 59).

14. Isaac Buck, born 27 Sep 1757 in Southborough, Worcester County, MA, (VR, 23); died 07 Feb 1846 in Sterling, Worcester County, MA (VR). He married 18 May 1780 in Lancaster, Worcester County, MA (VR, 126).
15. Martha/Patty Phillips, born 20 Aug 1757 in Shrewsbury, Worcester County, MA, (VR, 84); died Aft. 1820 in prob. Sterling, Worcester County, MA.

Generation No. 5

16. Zachariah Hildreth, born 28 Dec 1728 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 81); died 18 Apr 1784 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 290). He married 12 Apr 1753 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 186).
17. Elizabeth Prescott, born 15 Sep 1734 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA, (vr); died 01 May 1812 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 287).
18. Jonathan Keyes, born 21 Jan 1721/22 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 86); died 20 Jun 1781 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 293). He married 20 Jan 1745/46 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 194).
19. Elizabeth Fletcher, born 09 Mar 1719/20 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA; died 23 Jul 1761 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 293).
20. Ephraim Sawtell, born 18 Jan 1734/35 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA, (vr); died About 1800 in prob. Brookline, Hillsborough County, NH. He married 22 Dec 1757 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA, (vr).
21. Abigail Stone, born 02 Dec 1736 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA; died Bef. 1800 in prob. Brookline, Hillsborough County, NH.

28. Isaac Buck, born About 1730 in prob. Stoneham, Middlesex, MA. He met in Southborough, Worcester, MA (not married).
29. Mary Richards, born 27 Sep 1733 in Southborough, Worcester, MA, (vr).
30. John Phillips, born 11 Sep 1722 in Charlestown, Middlesex County, MA, (VR, 278). He married 03 May 1749 in Southborough, Worcester County, MA, (vr).
31. Hannah Brown, born About 1725 in MA; died Bef. 1774 in prob. Shrewsbury, Worcester County, MA.

Generation No. 6

32. James Hildreth, born 23 Dec 1698 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA; died 25 Feb 1761 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA, (vr). He married 20 Dec 1721 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA (intentions, VR, 250).
33. Dorothy Prescott, born 1702 in Acton, Middlesex County, MA; died 03 Sep 1774 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 286).
34. Jonas Prescott, born 26 Jan 1702/03 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA; died 09 Sep 1784 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (vr). He married 07 Mar 1730/31 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA, (vr).
35. Elizabeth Harwood, born 28 Jan 1700/01 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA, (vr); died 27 Dec 1739 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (vr).
36. Joseph Keyes, born 01 May 1698 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 86); died 11 Jul 1744 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 293). He married 28 Feb 1719/20 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 262).
37. Elizabeth Fletcher, born 10 Jun 1698 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA; died 03 Sep 1775 in Westford, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 293).
38. Samuel Fletcher, born 06 Sep 1684 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA, (vr). . He married About 1712 in Chelmsford, Middlesex County, MA.
39. Hannah
40. Hezekiah Sawtell, born 02 Mar 1702/03 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA; died 18 Mar 1779 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA, (vr). He married 01 Aug 1723 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA, (vr).
41. Joanna Wilson, born 06 Jan 1700/01 in Billerica, Middlesex County, MA, (vr); died 11 Sep 1786 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA, (vr).
42. James Stone, born 23 Jan 1701/02 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA (vr); died 27 Feb 1783 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA (vr). He married 28 Dec 1726 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA (vr).
43. Mary Farwell, born 05 Feb 1708/09 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA (vr); died 27 Feb 1783 in Groton, Middlesex County, MA.

56. Isaac Buck, born About 1706 in Woburn, Middlesex, MA; died 1780 in Framingham, Middlesex, MA. He married 03 Dec 1729 in Reading, Middlesex, MA (VR).
57. Ruth Graves, born 10 Jan 1709/10 in Lynn, Essex, MA.
58. Joseph Richards, born About 1703 in Lynn, Essex, MA; died 04 Jun 1748 in Southborough, Worcester, MA, (vr). He married 05 May 1726 in Lynn, Essex, MA.
59. Mary Bowden, born 19 Jul 1705 in Lynn, Essex, MA.
60. Ebenezer Phillips, born 17 Aug 1695 in Charlestown, Middlesex, MA (VR, 175); died Bef. 21 Aug 1746 in Southborough, Worcester, MA. He married Bef. 1719 in prob. Malden, Middlesex, MA.
61. Mary Smith, born 08 Mar 1697/98 in Charlestown, Middlesex, MA.


A more complete Ahnentafel report for these families, with earlier generations and the listings of children of these ancestors, can be found at "Ancestors of Hattie Louise Hildreth."

Are there any cousins in genealogy-blog-land who share these families? Can you add information to this list? If so, please contact me at rjseaver(at)

Sunday, September 30, 2007

Family History Month Events - Wonderful!

I just received my "Genealogy Gems" newsletter from the Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, Indiana (do you receive it? You can sign up at Then I saw the post from the Indiana Genealogical Blog highlighting "Allen County Celebrates Family History Month."

Look at that program - there is something planned for every day except Sunday, October 7th (frankly, I'm wondering if they made a mistake and left it out!).

That sure is a researcher's dream, isn't it? I've often said that if I didn't live in the San Diego area due to family ties, that I would like to live in either New England (family ties, history, research) or in Salt Lake City (for the FHL, of course). I think the Fort Wayne area just leaped onto my short list!

What other cities or genealogy societies have a list of events to celebrate Family History Month? Most of the ones I've heard about are special presentations, day-long seminars or weekend conferences.

Last year, the Chula Vista Genealogical Society (CVGS) held a one-day seminar on "Discover Your Family History" - I reported on it here. This was our first attempt to co-sponsor an event something with the Chula Vista Public Library (CVPL), and it worked out fairly well.

This year, CVGS and CVPL is presenting a one-day seminar on "Discover Your Family History Online." This will be four presentations related to online genealogy research - the announcement of it is here.

Best of the Genealogy Blogs - Week of September 23-29, 2007

Here are my favorite genealogy blog posts for the week of September 23-29, 2007. These are posts that I enjoyed, learned a lot from, or were funny. They are in random order.

* "Mrs. Jessie H. Tuttle, Part 5" by Bill West at his West in New England blog. The reason I chose this is that I learned that you can use the index at Footnote to find people who wrote letters to the National Archives to get Pension Files.

* "Genealogy and History Thoughts - Column One" by Jessica at the Jessica's Genejournal blog. This post gave her thoughts about the "Mother of All Genealogy Databases" article. Well done.

* "Don't Miss the Train - Part 2" on the Ancestor Insider blog. This part was even better than the first part! Did Ancestry start their blog in response to these posts?

* "Naked Ladies in the Hill Country ... Photos Below!" by Terry Thornton at the Hill Country of Monroe County blog. Once you get past the disappointment, it is a funny and interesting article.

* "The Bell Cow - A Natural Leader in the Hill Country" by Terry Thornton at the Hill Country of Monroe County blog. I'm a city boy, and have never heard of a Bell cow. Now I know what it is, and why there are so many different cow bells, and why they are precious. I know I put two posts from Terry here - these are original articles that I can only wish I could write!

* "10 No-Fee Resources for Climbing Your Family Tree Online" by Nancy Hendrickson at the Genealogy Site blog. It's a nice list - worth taking a look at. This is my first look at Nancy's blog.

* "Genealogists Be Aware - Desktop software and Web Applications are Converging" by Mark Tucker at the ThinkGenealogy blog. Mark has good observations and predictions here about the future on online genealogy.

* "All I Want for Christmas are a Bayonet and a Breechclout" by Tim Abbott at the Walking the Berkshires blog. Tim wants to get back into reenacting, I think. I hope his wife reads his blog occasionally.

* "Genealogue Challenge #49" by Chris Dunham at The Genealogue blog. This was Chris' first challenge to transcribe or abstract a document - it was interesting that none of the responders produced the same transcription. One response was best though - Sharon's!

Thank you all for a good week of reading genealogy blogs.

If these genealogy blogs are new for you, I encourage you to click on the links for the blogs and read the last week or two of posts. And if you feel the urge, please comment on the posts - all of us appreciate comments!

Ancestors of Frank Walton Seaver (1852-1922)

Here is post #7 of the ahnentafel lists for my 8 great-grandparents. I chose to list only six generations because of the potential length of the post.


Ancestors of Frank Walton Seaver

Generation No. 1

1. Frank Walton Seaver, born 06 Jun 1852 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA (MA VR 64.198); died 27 Nov 1922 in Leominster, Worcester County, MA (VR). He married (1) Hattie Louise Hildreth 14 Dec 1874 in Keene, Cheshire County, NH (VR). She was born 28 Nov 1857 in Northborough, Worcester County, MA (MA VR 107.232), and died 29 Nov 1920 in Leominster, Worcester County, MA (VR).

Generation No. 2

2. Isaac Seaver, born 16 Oct 1823 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA (VR, 83); died 12 Mar 1901 in Leominster, Worcester County, MA (Mass. VR). He married 3. 09 Sep 1851 in Walpole, Norfolk County, MA (MA VR 55.214).
3. Lucretia Townsend Smith, born 06 Sep 1828 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA (VR, 92); died 24 Mar 1884 in Leominster, Worcester County, MA (MA VR 357.414).

Generation No. 3

4. Benjamin Seaver, born 15 Nov 1791 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA (VR, 83); died 25 May 1825 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA (VR, 247). He married 02 Mar 1817 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA (VR, 183).
5. Abigail Gates, born 24 Feb 1797 in Gardner, Worcester County, MA (VR, 27); died 04 Jan 1867 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA (Mass VR).
6. Alpheus B. Smith, born 19 May 1802 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 90); died 13 Jan 1840 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 234). He married 30 Nov 1826 in Dedham, Norfolk County, MA, (vr).
7. Elizabeth Horton Dill, born 19 May 1794 in Eastham, Barnstable County, MA (age at death); died 28 Nov 1869 in Leominster, Worcester County, MA, (MA VR).

Generation No. 4

8. Benjamin Seaver, born 21 Apr 1757 in Sudbury, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 130); died 24 Jun 1816 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA (VR, 247). He married 19 Aug 1783 in Leominster, Worcester County, MA (VR, 255).
9. Martha Whitney, born 18 Sep 1764 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA (VR, 99); died 02 Sep 1832 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA (VR, 247).
10. Nathan Gates, born 23 Feb 1767 in Stow, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 41); died Apr 1830 in Gardner, Worcester County, MA (VR, 118). He married 17 Jun 1790 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA, (vr).
11. Abigail Knowlton, born 21 Jan 1774 in Lincoln, Middlesex County, MA (VR); died 28 Jan 1855 in Gardner, Worcester County, MA (MA VR 95.117).
12. Aaron Smith, born 29 May 1765 in Walpole, Norfolk County, MA (VR); died 04 Dec 1841 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 234). He married 06 Oct 1795 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA (VR, 171).
13. Mercy Plimpton, born 09 Sep 1772 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA (VR, 83); died 13 Apr 1850 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA (MA VR 49.123).
14. Thomas Dill, born in of Eastham, Barnstable County, MA. He married
15. Mary Horton, born in of Wellfleet, Barnstable County, MA.

Generation No. 5

16. Norman Seaver, born About 1734 in Framingham, Middlesex County, MA (age 53 at death); died 31 Jul 1787 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA (VR, 247). He married 14 Mar 1755 in Sudbury, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 265).
17. Sarah Read, born 28 Dec 1736 in Sudbury, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 2118); died Bef. 03 Jan 1809 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA ( PR).
18. Samuel Whitney, born 23 May 1719 in Weston, Middlesex, MA, (vr); died 01 Jan 1782 in Westminster, Worcester, MA, (VR,255). He married 20 Oct 1741 in Weston, Middlesex, MA, (vr).
19. Abigail Fletcher, born 02 Jul 1720 in Concord, Middlesex, MA, (vr).
20. Simon Gates, born 1739 in Stow, Middlesex County, MA; died 11 Mar 1803 in Gardner, Worcester County, MA, (VR, 118). He married 27 May 1766 in Marlborough, Middlesex, MA.
21. Susannah Reed, born 04 Dec 1745 in Woburn, Middlesex, MA, (VR, 206); died 18 Dec 1833 in Gardner, Worcester, MA, (VR, 118).
22. Jeremiah Knowlton, born 03 Mar 1744/45 in Concord, Middlesex, MA, (vr). He married 04 Apr 1771 in Waltham, Middlesex, MA.
23. Abigail Peirce, born 12 Apr 1750 in Waltham, Middlesex, MA; died 02 Feb 1776 in Lincoln, Middlesex, MA.
24. Moses Smith, born 02 Apr 1732 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 93). He married 23 Sep 1762 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 173).
25. Patience Hamant, born 06 Apr 1735 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 56).
26. Amos Plimpton, born 16 Jun 1735 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA (VR, 84); died 20 Aug 1808 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 228). He married 1756 in Norfolk County, MA.
27. Mary Guild, born 1735 in Walpole, Norfolk County, MA; died 20 Mar 1800 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 230).

Generation No. 6

32. Robert Seaver, born 29 Oct 1702 in Sudbury, Middlesex County, MA (VR, 130); died 1752 in Westminster, Worcester County, MA. He married 02 Sep 1726 in Boston, Suffolk County, MA (VR).
33. Eunice Rayment, born 12 Jun 1707 in Marblehead, Essex County, MA (VR); died Aft. 1772 in prob. Sudbury, Middlesex County, MA.
34. Isaac Read, born 23 Feb 1703/04 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA, (VR, 118); died 28 May 1780 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA (Bigelow CR). He married 11 Feb 1729/30 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA, (VR, 256).
35. Experience Willis, born 10 Apr 1709 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA (baptism, CR, 18); died 06 Aug 1787 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA (Bigelow CR).
36. William Whitney, born 06 May 1683 in Watertown, Middlesex, MA, (VR, 53); died 24 Jun 1720 in Weston, Middlesex, MA, (vr). He married 17 May 1706 in Lexington, Middlesex, MA (Watertown VR, II-23).
37. Martha Peirce, born 24 Dec 1681 in Watertown, Middlesex, MA, (VR, 50); died 15 Sep 1759 in Weston, Middlesex, MA, (vr).
38. John Fletcher, born 26 Aug 1692 in Concord, Middlesex, MA, (vr); died 1749 in Concord, Middlesex, MA. He married 10 May 1715 in Watertown, Middlesex, MA.
39. Mary Goble, born 19 Feb 1693/94 in Concord, Middlesex, MA; died 27 Mar 1734 in Concord, Middlesex, MA, (vr).
40. Amos Gates, born Oct 1706 in Stow, Middlesex County, MA; died Bef. 12 Mar 1783 in Marlborough, Middlesex County, MA (admin.). He married 07 Nov 1732 in Concord, Middlesex County, MA, (vr).
41. Mary Hubbard, born 04 May 1712 in Concord, Middlesex County, MA; died Bef. 10 Dec 1754 in Marlborough, Middlesex County, MA.
42. Nathan Reed, born 03 Jan 1718/19 in Woburn, Middlesex, MA, (VR, 1:205); died 03 Sep 1795 in Washington, Sullivan, NH. He married 09 Feb 1741/42 in Boston, Suffolk, MA, (vr).
43. Susannah Wood, born 06 Mar 1723/24 in Woburn, Middlesex, MA, (vr).
44. Jeremiah Knowlton, born Bef. 02 Aug 1713 in Ipswich, Essex, MA (baptism); died 1752 in Concord, Middlesex, MA. He married 24 Jul 1735 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA, (VR, 163).
45. Sarah Allen, born 04 May 1717 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA (VR, 11); died 10 May 1796 in Concord, Middlesex, MA.
46. Samuel Peirce, born 03 Jul 1712 in Watertown, Middlesex, MA; died 30 Mar 1772 in Waltham, Middlesex, MA. He married 03 Jun 1739 in Watertown, Middlesex, MA.
47. Abigail Stearns, born Bef. 01 Jan 1715/16 in Lexington, Middlesex, MA (baptism); died 25 Jul 1798 in Watertown, Middlesex, MA.
48. Henry Smith, born 16 Dec 1680 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA (VR, 92); died 14 Apr 1743 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 234).. He married 01 Sep 1730 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 174).
49. Ruth Barber, born 05 Mar 1695/96 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 19).
50. Timothy Hamant, born 25 Mar 1699 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 57); died 06 Jun 1774 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 215). He married 19 Oct 1727 in Boston, Suffolk County, MA.
51. Hepzibah Clark, born 02 Feb 1698/99 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 35); died Aug 1791 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 214).
52. John Plimpton, born 18 Aug 1708 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 82); died 08 May 1756 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 229). He married 03 May 1731 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 139).
53. Abigail Fisher, born 10 Sep 1711 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 50); died 19 Feb 1785 in Medfield, Norfolk County, MA, (VR, 200).
54. Nathaniel Guild, born 20 Mar 1711/12 in Dedham, Norfolk, MA, (vr); died 10 Sep 1796 in Walpole, Norfolk, MA. He married 12 Jun 1733 in Dedham, Norfolk, MA, (vr).
55. Mary Boyden, born 09 Feb 1707/08 in Wrentham, Norfolk, MA.


A more complete Ahnentafel report for these families, with listings of children of these ancestors, can be found at Ancestors of Benjamin Seaver, Ancestors of Abigail Gates, and Ancestors of Lucretia Townsend Smith. The reason that there are three reports is because of the way I made these genealogy reports.

Are there any cousins in genealogy-blog-land who share these families? Can you add information to this list? If so, please contact me at rjseaver(at)