tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post9121459725056332815..comments2024-03-26T11:22:41.940-07:00Comments on Genea-Musings: Do I Have Enough Information to Join Society of Mayflower Descendants?Randy Seaverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17477703429102065294noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-55965362375553846462019-07-10T18:32:22.449-07:002019-07-10T18:32:22.449-07:00Can I jump in and say my direct ancestor was John ...Can I jump in and say my direct ancestor was John Howland. So my state registra for SAR is actually the one that informed me of the lineage. So can my state Mayflower society take the information he has and use it? I can come up with a lot of other things to prove it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01096954418831129737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-5066770146193329962015-12-01T12:23:05.936-08:002015-12-01T12:23:05.936-08:00These lineages are beset by "same name = same...These lineages are beset by "same name = same person" problems. As always, the problem is to develop a collection of records that define each similarly-named person well enough to distinguish between them. This could include such miracles as to find an estate record (a will?) for a spouse's parent that names enough grandchildren in the right time-frame to define a family, or includes residential/land-ownership data that can clearly be attributed to one of the same-named persons. It is no easy task, and I wish you success!<br />Geoloverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12050268303916428230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-1932503194863922292015-12-01T08:12:20.400-08:002015-12-01T08:12:20.400-08:00Randy I am sure you thought of this as well but fi...Randy I am sure you thought of this as well but figured I mention it.... Maybe you can look at other applications they often note evidence submitted prior. I am researching my connection to the Mayflower passengers William Bradford and now Richard Warren. For twenty dollars I received copies of two prior applications of descendants of William Bradford. One was of no use to me as the line did not go past the book for me. However, the other one submitted mentioned a family bible submitted for a different application. I requested a copy. It was very faint copy of the family bible proving not just the birth of my fifth great grandfather but his marriage and the death of his parents as well. This was acceptable proof at the time given that there were not many states / counties issuing certificates in the 1800’s however, I am not sure if it still acceptable proof. Even it is not combined with census and other records I have to image it would be acceptable or at least give a viable argument. Twisted Branches of Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16685465826764932245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-15479884945496979212015-12-01T08:10:15.892-08:002015-12-01T08:10:15.892-08:00As a Mayflower Society historian, I think you have...As a Mayflower Society historian, I think you have the essentials of what you need. the important part is linking each line carrier to his/her parents. You need to fill in as much of the rest for the line carrier and spouse as you can, but the farther back you go, the harder it is to find records. If primary records don't exist, Mayflower will let you use secondary sources like published books and journal articles to fill in the gaps. Between the birth, marriage and death certificates that you have, obituaries, wills and probate records, it looks to me (without seeing the documents) that you have made the required links between line carriers. Look at the CA Mayflower website (http://camayflower.org/) for information on the process. I bet the CA historians will agree with my assessment of your documentation.Ann Gulbransen, Historianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08413357325835904107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-63567537591657673132015-12-01T07:53:53.989-08:002015-12-01T07:53:53.989-08:00I have a handful of Mayflower people as ancestors,...I have a handful of Mayflower people as ancestors, too. My questions are many. First let me say I am not interested in joining any of the societies. My questions are just because I want to know. What does a member get out of joining? About how much does it cost to prove linage? As much trouble as I've had with ancestors in general, if there is no piece of paper, how do you prove anything? I don't have the number in my head any more but there is a high percentage of people who have Mayflower ancestors. It soon won't be anything special to have a Mayflower ancestor because everyone is descended from one of them.Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13256855136448978468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-53456505572156291462015-12-01T06:45:02.378-08:002015-12-01T06:45:02.378-08:00Geni just told that I am related to another passen...Geni just told that I am related to another passenger: Gov. Edward Winslow.Enno Borgsteedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212823867293147091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-2437685127740492812015-12-01T06:36:01.545-08:002015-12-01T06:36:01.545-08:00Randy, in the line that Geni presents for us being...Randy, in the line that Geni presents for us being 14th cousins, I see surnames Farwell, Stone, Sawtell, Hildreth & Seaver in your half of the connection. Were any of these passengers on a well known ship? Just curious. There may be more connections than this one, and I haven't checked how well the Mayflower passengers are documented there, and whether any of those have a connection to me.<br />Enno Borgsteedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212823867293147091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-63015939203927374242015-11-30T23:49:12.992-08:002015-11-30T23:49:12.992-08:00Thank you, Susan. Yes, she does have brothers. I&#...Thank you, Susan. Yes, she does have brothers. I'll let her know. Thanks for replying.Team Spicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339813722173424675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-45832896724254748402015-11-30T23:23:35.226-08:002015-11-30T23:23:35.226-08:00To use a genetic test to prove the Standish descen...To use a genetic test to prove the Standish descendancy must be all males in the line, so your sister-in-law breaks the chain. If she can test her father, or has a brother, it might be used to show the matching to known Standish descendants.Sue Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03242311852468150162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-56043564930917066442015-11-30T21:05:26.610-08:002015-11-30T21:05:26.610-08:00Please keep me posted, Randy. I too spoke to the S...Please keep me posted, Randy. I too spoke to the Society of Mayflower Descendants and was told to submit despite your comments, which I agree are unsubstantiated by legal documents. Since we share the same line with Julia White, I wish we could get this cleared up. This may be naive, but are there any genetic links that could be followed? My twin brother, Adam, married Karla Standish, and her family believes that a genetic test of her boys can prove her lineage to Capt. Myles Standish. Can you shed any light on the subject?Team Spicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339813722173424675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-45737294485758844422015-11-30T18:45:13.784-08:002015-11-30T18:45:13.784-08:00If the Mayflower Society is similar to DAR in its ...If the Mayflower Society is similar to DAR in its requirements, aside from anything else missing, the DAR genealogist would not accept a reference to a book unless the book cited an actual source for the fact. For example, a reference to an Oatley surname book wouldn't work unless the book cited, say, a probate record giving her maiden name. (I know you mentioned her marriage record in her husband's blurb above - I just used the book reference as an example.) Each generation would be examined step by step to determine if, in fact, the descendant's information is correct.Linda Stufflebeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10652044674485948749noreply@blogger.com