tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post1165749517533158521..comments2024-03-26T11:22:41.940-07:00Comments on Genea-Musings: Exploring Family Tree Maker 2012 - Post 18: Creating a Vital Record Register Source CitationRandy Seaverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17477703429102065294noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-28633729512965474582011-11-07T12:31:55.849-08:002011-11-07T12:31:55.849-08:00Geolover,
Not disagreeing with you, but how does ...Geolover,<br /><br />Not disagreeing with you, but how does that fit in with Evidence Explained!<br /><br />RussCousin Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326890362591254874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-53535481792631545132011-11-07T10:33:15.546-08:002011-11-07T10:33:15.546-08:00Russ, your question was "If Randy, or any one...Russ, your question was "If Randy, or any one of us, gets the data from a web site, isn't that what you are to Cite?"<br /><br />Yes, the most narrow view of a citation is that it should be to the source.<br /><br />I still would like the citation to suggest the nature of the item cited.<br /><br />The hard-won citation that Randy arrived at has a descriptive gap, but I am not sure how to give more in this case.<br /><br />A somewhat parallel case is extracts from indexes found within some ancestry.com databases. One could cite the website and say it cites an actual record (say, XXX County, Indiana Marriage Records Book C-2, page 34). But what if the extract actually is from indexes prepared by WPA 1938-1941, who in turn furnished a purported record citation?Geoloverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12050268303916428230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-6124077586795203262011-11-05T21:14:23.258-07:002011-11-05T21:14:23.258-07:00"The confusion over which source template to ..."The confusion over which source template to use, which took over two hours of my time today..." And for those of use who have only two hours a week to spend on genealogy, this is why my research has ground to a halt. Each of the genealogy programs I've tried has some "gotchas" when trying to create EE style citations. That is problems with the templates. For example, fields in the template that don't actually get put into the created citation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-56996958040869869142011-11-05T17:26:16.730-07:002011-11-05T17:26:16.730-07:00Geolover,
Just a question for your comment.
If R...Geolover,<br /><br />Just a question for your comment.<br /><br />If Randy, or any one of us, gets the data from a web site, isn't that what you are to Cite? This Citation tells me the record type, who the record was for, AND where the record came from. In this case a Web Site.<br /><br />If we, the user who creates this citation are comfortable with that, why do we then have to spell out "how many degrees removed is the source from the actual record" what we are looking is.<br /><br />If the 'next' user looks at this Citation, it's clear where the information came from (a website) and that it clearly NOT an original document. We may or make not know the "how may degrees" answer.<br /><br />I would be happy to know that it did come from a Website and that it wasn't an orignal document. If I want to get to that next level of detail I can do that, (If I were to follow up with Randy's research). The Website reference would be my key to dig deeper, if I want.<br /><br />Just asking.<br /><br />Thank you,<br /><br />RussCousin Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326890362591254874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-1068453282174437562011-11-05T17:14:49.550-07:002011-11-05T17:14:49.550-07:00Your citation still does not quite describe whethe...Your citation still does not quite describe whether the source you looked at was an extract of a compilation citing the book, an extract from the book, or an image of a publication which extracted from the book. Putting the title of the website page in quotes does not clearly explain this for me.<br /><br />Website sources really are trouble. What genealogists would like to know without having to access the page is, just how many degrees removed is the source from the actual record? Each one is subject to error in transcription and citation.Geoloverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12050268303916428230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-86329038385374958552011-11-04T15:59:32.675-07:002011-11-04T15:59:32.675-07:00Randy,
I have a question, that may lead to the an...Randy,<br /><br />I have a question, that may lead to the answer that you are looking for.<br /><br />Where did you find that record?<br /><br />Did you find the record at what you described in your Source OR did you find a Vital Record State Register?<br /><br />Does that make any difference for you?<br /><br />RussCousin Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326890362591254874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26204193.post-80150629106189783922011-11-04T14:00:46.202-07:002011-11-04T14:00:46.202-07:00Hi Randy, it is unfortunate it took you 2 hours to...Hi Randy, it is unfortunate it took you 2 hours to come up with this citation which still lacked some data. I too, cannot find citation templates in Rootsmagic or FTM that include all elements as set forth by Evidence! Explained. The result: I don't consult online databases. Or if I do, I write the citation in my notes. Hopefully the developers can come up with a solution soon, especially given your elaborate examples!Ginger Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17453442334718861407noreply@blogger.com