Thursday, August 18, 2011

More Help from Nick - Grieser records in Bühl

As I noted in With Lots of Help from My Friends - the Grieser Birth Record, geneablogger Nick Gombash found the birth record of my wife's second great-grandfather, Ignatius Grieser, in Bühl in what is now Baden-Württemburg in Germany.  Knowing the birthplace, from Ignatius Grieser's marriage record, led Nick to find an online database with images from the Landsarchiv Baden-Wurttemburg database:

Bestand L 10: Badische Standesbücher (Geburts-, Ehe- und Sterbeeinträge) Waldshut, Waldshut-Tiengen WT; Amtsgericht. 
L 10 Nr. 5669: Buhl, Klettgau WT; Katholischwe Gemeide: Geburtenbuch 1810-1866
In English (using Google Translate):

Stock L 10: Badische able books (birth, marriage and death records); Waldshut, Waldshut WT; District Court

No. 10 L 5669
Buhl, Klettgau WT; Catholic parish: register of births 1810-1866 Buhl, Klettgau WT.
Here is the record from image 128 for the birth of Ignatius Griesser on 30 January 1835 in Bühl to Xaver Greisser and Anna Weissenberger:

I struggle to recognize any letter on this record, but I'm trying.  Nick thinks that the father's first name is Xaver.  That is also the first name of the clerk that wrote the record, and most of the other records in this particular ledger. 

Not satisfied with providing only this record the the basic information about the birth of Ignatius Griesser, Nick went the next step and found the marriage of Xaver Griesser and Anna Weissenberger 0n 17 April 1820 in Bühl in a marriage record on the same site:

Here is Nick's comment on my earlier post:

"Hey Randy.. the name is definitely Xaver. I found the marriage record for Xaver Griesser and Anna Weissenberger. ( category L 10 Nr. 5671. When you navigate to the images, it's image 19 (Bild 19). It will come up as page 11 and their entry is number 3 (left side of the page).

"The year for these marriages is 1820. The date is in the first line of the paragraph: "siebenzehnsten Aprill"; April 17th. The groom is the 25 year old Xaver Griesser, son of Xaver Griesser and Katharina Keller. What's odd, is that I can't find the bride's name in the paragraph at all. There is no underlined bride's name like in the other marriages on these two pages. Her name is clearly written on the side though "und Anna Weissenberger".. and Anna Weissenberger. Strange.

"Stay on that page and look at the last marriage on the right page. The marriage date is "zehnsten Heumonat"; July 10th. The groom is Joh. (Johann) Z..? (middle name definitely begins with Z) Griesser. He is 21 years old and the son of Franz Griesser and Katharina Hofmayer. The bride is Monika Griesser. She is 24 years old and the daughter of Xaver Griesser and Katharina Keller.  Monika is a sister to Xaver! :)

"Also.. there's a Dörflinger marriage below the Xaver Griesser marriage. I wonder where Elyse's family is from? :)"

In the process of helping me, Nick may have found some of Elyse Doerflinger's relatives too!  How cool is that? 

Feeling like I should do something to add to this database, I decided to search the Births backward from 1835 hoping to find siblings of Ignatius Grieser.  I found one, Johan ?????? Griesser born in 1829 to Xaver and Anna, but could not read the date.  I proudly told Nick about that in email, and he came back an hour later with this list:

*  Anna Griesser on 25 Jul 1822 (Bild 68, entry 6)
*  Franz Xaver Griesser on 9 May 1823 (Bild 72, entry 13)
*  Kaspar Griesser on 5 January 1826  (Bild 81, entry 1)
*  Anna Maria Griesser on 5 March 1827  (Bild 86, entry 53)
*  Johan Baptist Griesser on 18 November 1829  (Bild 96, entry 3)

I suspect that I missed one or two entries for siblings of Ignatius between 1829 and 1835, and there may be others after 1835. 

I sure wish that Herr Zimmermann had better handwriting and that I could read the German script with the facility that Nick demonstrates! 

 It's likely that some of these siblings came with Ignatius, or joined him, in America and are in the St. Louis marriage records and/or the 1860 and later census records. More things to find!

My thanks, again, to Nick Gombash for his genea-heroic efforts to find my wife's ancestors.  I get by with lots of help from my friends!


Donna - What's Past is Prologue said...

Ah, Randy finally gets a taste of reading impossible foreign language handwriting instead of all those ENGLISH records! I love it! Congrats on the find. Boy, your German minister wrote far worse than my Bavarian ancestors' priests, and those guys had awful handwriting!


Elyse said...

This is so cool! I know my Doerflinger ancestors came from Mannheim in Baden - but that is as far as I've gotten. I need to go to the FHC and order some microfilm to get some more research done.