Showing posts with label Numbering Systems. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Numbering Systems. Show all posts

Saturday, April 25, 2020

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun -- What Is Your Birth Surname Henry Number?

It's Saturday Night - 

time for more Genealogy Fun! 


Your mission, should you decide to accept it (cue the Mission Impossible music here) is to:

1)  Do you know what a "Henry Number" is?  It is a descendant numbering system from a specific person.  The Wikipedia article for Genealogical Numbering Systems describes it as:

"The Henry System is a descending system created by Reginald Buchanan Henry for a genealogy of the families of the presidents of the United States that he wrote in 1935.[3] It can be organized either by generation or not. The system begins with 1. The oldest child becomes 11, the next child is 12, and so on. The oldest child of 11 is 111, the next 112, and so on. The system allows one to derive an ancestor's relationship based on their number. For example, 621 is the first child of 62, who is the second child of 6, who is the sixth child of his parents.  In the Henry System, when there are more than nine children, X is used for the 10th child, A is used for the 11th child, B is used for the 12th child, and so on. In the Modified Henry System, when there are more than nine children, numbers greater than nine are placed in parentheses."

2)  Go to your first known ancestor with your birth surname in your software program and calculate your Henry Number from that person.  Show each generation of your line of ancestors with your birth surname with their Henry numbers.

3)  How did you calculate the Henry numbers?  What do these numbers tell you?

4)  Tell us in your own blog post, in a comment on this blog post, or in a Facebook post.

Here's mine:

2)  My first known ancestor with my birth surname of Seaver is Robert Seaver (1608-1683).  Here is my Seaver line with their Henry numbers.

1                       Robert Seaver (1608-1683)
11                     Shubael Seaver (1640-1730)*
112                   Joseph Seaver (1672-1754)*
1121                 Robert Seaver (1702-1752)*
11214                Norman Seaver (1734-1787)*
112142              Benjamin Seaver (1757-1816)*
1121424            Benjamin Seaver (1791-1825)*
11214243          Isaac Seaver (1823-1901)*
112142431        Frank Walton Seaver (1852-1922)*
1121424311      Frederick Walton Seaver (1876-1942)*
11214243115    Frederick Walton Seaver (1911-1983)*
112142431151  Randall Jeffrey Seaver (1943-living)*

*  Denotes a son who was the eldest son that married and had children.

3)  I created a Descendants Narrative Report (1,811 pages!) in RootsMagic 7 using Robert Seaver as the starting ancestor, requested 12 generations, picked the Henry Number option, and then the program traced all of Robert Seaver's descendants through the report.  I was on page 63.  

Amazingly, each one of these males were the eldest son that survived and had children.  For instance, Joseph Seaver (1672-1754) had an older brother, Robert Seaver (1670-1672) who did not survive childhood, so Joseph was the eldest surviving son with children.  Norman Seaver (1734-1787) had two older brothers who did not marry or survive childhood, so Norman was the eldest surviving son who had children.  My father had an older brother who died before my father was born, and three sisters, so he was the 5th child, but the first son that had children.  What this means is that if Robert Seaver (1608-1683) had been a King, then I would be the current King, assuming succession through only the eldest male with children (not the current system in most royal lines).

In order to have an accurate Henry Number report, a researcher needs to have a complete list of children in each ancestral family, and know their birth order.  I think I have done that in my own Seaver line.  

There are five persons in my Seaver line that were the first-born child, and two more that were the second-born child.

4)  I did!

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Saturday, October 12, 2013

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun - What is Your Birth Surname Henry Number?

It's Saturday Night - 
time for more Genealogy Fun! 



Your mission, should you decide to accept it (cue the Mission Impossible! music) is to:


1)  Do you know what a "Henry Number" is?  It is a descendant numbering system from a specific person.  The Wikipedia article for Genealogical Numbering Systems describes it as:


"The Henry System is a descending system created by Reginald Buchanan Henry for a genealogy of the families of the presidents of the United States that he wrote in 1935.[3] It can be organized either by generation or not. The system begins with 1. The oldest child becomes 11, the next child is 12, and so on. The oldest child of 11 is 111, the next 112, and so on. The system allows one to derive an ancestor's relationship based on their number. For example, 621 is the first child of 62, who is the second child of 6, who is the sixth child of his parents.  In the Henry System, when there are more than nine children, X is used for the 10th child, A is used for the 11th child, B is used for the 12th child, and so on. In the Modified Henry System, when there are more than nine children, numbers greater than nine are placed in parentheses."

2)  Go to your first known ancestor with your birth surname and calculate your Henry Number from that person.  Show each generation of your line of ancestors with your birth surname with their Henry numbers.

3)  How did you calculate the Henry numbers?  What do these numbers tell you?

4)  Tell us in your own blog post, in a comment on this blog post, or in a Facebook or Google+ post.

Here's mine:

2)  My first known ancestor with my birth surname of Seaver is Robert Seaver (1608-1683).  Here is my Seaver line with their Henry numbers.

1                       Robert Seaver (1608-1683)
11                     Shubael Seaver (1640-1730)*
112                   Joseph Seaver (1672-1754)*
1121                 Robert Seaver (1702-1752)*
11214                Norman Seaver (1734-1787)
112142              Benjamin Seaver (1757-1816)*
1121424            Benjamin Seaver (1791-1825)*
11214243          Isaac Seaver (1823-1901)*
112142431        Frank Walton Seaver (1852-1922)*
1121424311      Frederick Walton Seaver (1876-1942)*
11214243115    Frederick Walton Seaver (1911-1983)*
112142431151  Randall Jeffrey Seaver (1943-living)*

*  Denotes a son who was the eldest son that married and had children.

3)  I created a Descendants Narrative Report (874 pages!) in RootsMagic 6 using Robert Seaver as the starting ancestor, requested 12 generations, picked the Henry Number option, and then traced my line through the report (I was on page 16).

Amazingly, each one of these males were the eldest son that survived and had children.  For instance, Joseph Seaver (1672-1754) had an older brother, Robert Seaver (1670-1672) who did not survive childhood, so Joseph was the eldest surviving son with children.  Norman Seaver (1734-1787) had two older brothers who did not marry or survive childhood, so Norman was the eldest surviving son who had children.  What this means is that if Robert Seaver (1608-1683) had been a King, then I would be the current King, assuming succession through only males.  

In order to have an accurate Henry Number report, a researcher needs to have a complete list of children in each ancestral family, and know their birth order.  I think I have done that in my own Seaver line.  

Their are five persons in my Seaver line that were the first-born child, and two more that were the second-born child.

4)  I did!

The URL for this post is:  http://www.geneamusings.com/2013/10/saturday-night-genealogy-fun-what-is.html

Copyright (c) 2013, Randall J. Seaver

Saturday, July 7, 2012

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun - What is Your d'Aboville Number?



Hello Genea-philes and SNGF-philes - it's Saturday Night, time for lots more Genealogy Fun!

Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is another genealogy software challenge - are you up to it?

1)  Do you know what a d'Aboville numbering system is?  A clear description of it is in the Encyclopedia of Genealogy here, and on Wikipedia here.  Pretty neat numbering system, isn't it?  

2)  What are your own d'Aboville numbers for your four lines of your grandparents (starting with the first known person in each grandparent's paternal line)?  Your genealogy software program may be able to help you with this (Family Tree Maker 2012, RootsMagic 5 and Legacy Family Tree 7.5 can, but Family Tree Maker 16 and earlier cannot).

3)  Tell us your own d'Aboville numbers for your four grandparent paternal lines in your own blog post, in a comment to this post, in a status line, note or comment on Facebook, or in a Google+ Plus Stream post.

4)  for extra credit, tell us how you figured out your d'Aboville numbers - which program, and the process.


Here's mine:

From Robert Seaver (1608-1683):  1.1.2.1.4.2.4.3.2.1.5.1

From John Richman (1788-1867):  1.5.1.7.5.1

From Martin Carringer (1758-1835):  1.6.2.2.1.1

From Andreas Able (????-1751):  1.4.2.2.2.3.1.1.1


How I did it in RootsMagic 5:

*  Opened RootsMagic, and clicked on the Help button and searched for "d'aboville number."  Read the information.

*  Clicked on the "Reports" menu, chose "Lists," and chose the "Descendant List" item.

*  Chose Robert Seaver (1608-1683) as the "Start person" and myself as the "Descendant." Selected d'Aboville in the "Numbering style" choices.  Made sure I had more than 12 generations selected.

*  Clicked "Create Report" and saw the report. Scrolled down to my name and copied off my d'Aboville number.

Easy, eh?  Now all I have to do is remember it so I can say I'm number 1.1.2.1.4.2.4.3.2.1.5.1 in the Robert Seaver descendants.


I also created a Descendants Report for Robert Seaver using d'Aboville numbers.  It has 920 pages...

The URL for this post is:  http://www.geneamusings.com/2012/07/saturday-night-genealogy-fun-what-is.html

Copyright (c) 2012, Randall J. Seaver