Friday, May 4, 2012

Follow-Up Friday - Reader Comments and Helpful Tips

It's Friday, so time for another post with useful and helpful reader comments.

1)  On Treasure Chest Thursday - 1851 English Census Record for James Richman Family, I had two helpful comments:

*  Audrey Collins wrote:  "Randy, the correct citation for your census page is HO 107/1840 folio 254 page 21. This is the unique identifier for this page, whether you are using microfilm or a website (or on very rare occasions the fragile original books, produced as a last resort when the film or scan is illegible). 

"Most people access the 1851 census using Ancestry (The National Archives licensed partner for this census) and it is a requirement that census pages should be accessible online using the full document reference on licensed partner sites. You may need to switch to 'Old search' to do this on Ancestry. You can also use the full reference on Other sites that carry the England and Wales census may offer the same facility, but I am only really familiar with Ancestry and FMP.

"I was interested in your earlier post where you compared the search facilities for the 1851 census on a number of sites. A direct search on would have suited your requirements; the free search on the free search facility gives enough detail for you to identify the right entry, and you don't need a subscription to access the image because FMP always offer a pay-per-view option. This is also a feature of their US site which only offers US census material at the moment, but they have plans to add UK censuses in future."

*  David Newton commented:  "To further expand on census references, that style of reference will work for all censuses from 1851 to 1901, just varying the series, piece, folio and page numbers. The 1841 census requires one more thing for a unique reference, that being the inclusion of the details of the book the information came from. The 1911 census by contrast just needs the series number, the piece number and the schedule number for it to be a unique reference.  The full footnote for your reference would be:

"The National Archives of the United Kingdom, "1851 Census of England and Wales," HO 107/1840, folio 254, page 21.

"The short footnote for your reference would be:  TNA, HO 107/1840, f 254, p 21.

"One thing where Kew is infinitely better than NARA is its catalogue references. It has a consistent reference system that is also concise. They also provide clear guidelines on their website as to how things should be cited."

My comments:  

*  I don't have access to the England and Wales census records through or FindMyPast.  The information from Audrey about the search on FindMyPast is very helpful.  I have not used the pay-per-view option on FMP.  Most of my England census images to date have been obtained directly from the FHL microfilms, from using at the FHC, or from the site.  

*  The source citations that I created were from Evidence! Explained (or the source templates in RootsMagic 5 based on EE models).  I'm not smart enough to create them myself.  I consider EE to be the "US standard" for genealogical source citations, but recognize that researchers in other countries have their own systems.  One of the basic principles for the EE models is that the source citation cite the source used, so that a reader can easily find the information found, which is why I cited the microfilm and the image rather than just the The National Archives citation.  In this case, the "source of the source" is The National Archives pages as cited by David.  

*  I'm looking forward to the USA site with England census records in the future.  I also hope that will improve their site so that browsing page by page in these records can be performed.

*  David Newton said:  "Another good bet to find out what you might want is FreeCen. That will not provide a copy of the image, but it will provide a full household transcription and the reference to find the image. You could then input that reference into to pull up the image. FreeCen also extends to Scotland. It is far from complete, but it is the best free option around.

"It should also be noted that what Randy has said only applies to England, Wales, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. Scotland and Ireland are separate cases. The only place to find images of Scottish censuses is the Scotslandspeople website and the images are very expensive and only available on a pay-per-view basis. Ireland only has two censuses available as the rest were destroyed at various points. The Irish National Archives have digitised and indexed both censuses with the resources available for free."

My comments:  Thank you, David.  I forgot about FreeCen and will try to visit them soon, at least for the transcriptions.  The Scotland and Ireland information is very useful too.

*  Michael McCormick noted:  "The video description links to where we learn that tests will cost just $99 for subscribers. Sounds like 1/3 the cost of my other autosomal DNA test. It also says I will get a message to invite me to take the test eventually when it is my turn... they have high demand they say."

*  CeCe Moore responded:  "Michael, 1/3 of the cost for less than 1/3 of the information. AncestryDNA is not providing any of the underlying genetic data, including the specific matching segments and the raw data. I'm sure they will have high demand, but many will be disappointed in what they get."

My comment:  I was a day early with this post, so I didn't know the cost when I wrote it.  CeCe hits the main complaint that I have - there is no information about specific matching segments in the matches.  FamilyTreeDNA provides these matching segments.  AncestryDNA does not.

It seems to me that a new product needs to add a difference maker, and the difference maker for AncestryDNA is the links to the family trees of matching persons.  It would be great if AncestryDNA provided information about the specific matching segments in the future.

The $99 cost is certainly attractive for subscribers.  It may lead to a reduction in prices for the competitors.

*  Donna Peterson noted that she was on the Legacy cruise also, and offered her suggestions for shore excursions.  Thanks!

*  Jo provided some links to tour sites in Scotland.  Thanks, Jo!

*  Kay emailed that she was also on the cruise.  

It looks like we'll have at least four geneabloggers on board (I'm counting Geoff Rasmussen here).  We can have our own meetup! It's great when you have friends on a cruise!

Copyright (c) 2012, Randall J. Seaver

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